Open World Cup Thread, June 25th 2010
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 2:00 PM BST
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North Korea - Ivory Cost, 7:00 AM PDT/10:00 AM EDT/15:00 GMT
Portugal - Brazil, 7:00 AM PDT/10:00 AM EDT/15:00 GMT
Switzerland - Honduras, 11:30 AM PDT/2:30 PM EDT/19:30 GMT
Chile - Spain, 11:30 AM PDT/2:30 PM EDT/19:30 GMT
As hard as it is to believe, these are the final four matches of the group stage. Group G is all but decided; Ivory Coast are still eligible to advance in the technical sense, but in order for that to happen Portugal must lose and the Ivory Coast must defeat North Korea by at least ten goals. The good news for the Ivory Coast is that if any team in this tournament could surrender ten goals, it's most likely North Korea.
Group H is still fairly interesting; no teams have been mathematically eliminated, although Honduras advancing would require a minor miracle. Spain and Chile are most likely the favorites to advance, but Switzerland aren't in a terrible position. They'll be favored to beat Honduras and because Spain can't afford to play conservatively, the Swiss could see themselves through with a strong offensive performance. It seems reasonable to expect Spain and Switzerland to win, which would mean that a team with six points would fail to advance. Which, man that would really suck.
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Chile is going to have six points and fail to advance and that will make me sad.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 2:56 PM BST reply actions
4-4-2 says nine goals by Ivory Coast will do it.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM BST reply actions
Nine would draw them level
and I guess it would put them through, unless Portugal scores a few.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 3:15 PM BST up reply actions
So, did we ever get a definitive answer on yellows carrying over?
Last I heard was that a second yellow today equals a suspension in the round of 16, then the slate is clean for the round of 8.
that’s my understanding too.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM BST up reply actions
started out like the wembley goal, but then they put it in for reals.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:20 PM BST up reply actions
Alright, now score, score, score
And then score, score, score, score.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:24 PM BST up reply actions
Hey guys, for the girl watching the other match, can we put in some detail?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:31 PM BST reply actions
Portugal had a golden chance to go ahead, they wasted it, Danny was carded for an absurdly bad dive
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 3:32 PM BST up reply actions
brazil had a good shot blocked by the GK, fast break to the other side and portugal flopped in the area but the ref didn’t bite.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:33 PM BST up reply actions
If Portugal wins they could take the group.
So not really meaningless.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:38 PM BST up reply actions
That is why Drogba is brilliant
Two North Korea players literally on his back, he holds on to the ball, flips around and gets the ball past them.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:37 PM BST reply actions
they did give him time for him to lift his head and look around like he was a tourist, but yes, the dribbling was pretty good.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:39 PM BST up reply actions
He was realizing that he was out in the corner by himself and he had no green and white stripes anywhere near him
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:41 PM BST up reply actions
i wasn’t talking bad about him. it was funny how the other two just stood there for a sec while he decided what to do. after that, he did get by quite skillfully.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:45 PM BST up reply actions
I was just mentioning that his teammates apparently thought he could do it all on his own.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:46 PM BST up reply actions
and they were right! you’re right too. everyone is right today!
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:49 PM BST up reply actions
e-lect-tric-al banana.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 3:46 PM BST up reply actions
Have any Brazilians or Portugese managed to get themselves ruled out of the next match?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 3:43 PM BST reply actions
Play restarts and North Korean keeper is acting as though Keita killed him
I think he took a boot to the face
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:02 PM BST reply actions
Not as chippy yet
Brazil has been sloppy, Portugal finally generating a couple of chances but nothing close yet.
by lemonverbena on Jun 25, 2010 4:12 PM BST up reply actions
and they broke the brazilian GK.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:19 PM BST up reply actions
Keita off for Kalou, Gervinho off for Dindane
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:20 PM BST reply actions
I actually really like Les Elephants and I wish they'd beaten Portugal
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:24 PM BST reply actions
I actually really like Les Elephants and I wish they'd beaten Portugal
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:26 PM BST reply actions
Stupid internet--I can't even find where the first one is, because it doesn't show up.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:30 PM BST up reply actions
Perhaps we'll call that one "I really love Les Elephants FANS and wish they could go on."
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:33 PM BST up reply actions
i believe that’s “les elefans”?
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:35 PM BST up reply actions 3 recs
i guess i’m fine with these results. sends brazil to the holland bracket. otherwise holland would be a clear favorite all the way to the final on that side while on the other side there seems to be a cluster of superpowers in collision courses as early as quarterfinals.
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it’s like one of those yankee/redsox grinders that you watch just because your team got blacked out on a saturday night.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:40 PM BST up reply actions
Or really, it's like watching yesterday's Mariners game: trainwreck that we knew was coming.
Right LV?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:41 PM BST up reply actions
A team I have to pay attention to again, sadly enough.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:47 PM BST up reply actions
SBN Seattle launches next Wednesday.
Anyone in Seattle needs to come to the launch party!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:48 PM BST up reply actions
yeah, i’m thankful the A’s had a day off. no way to fall apart when not playing.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:45 PM BST up reply actions
Usually when that happens I just go out drinking
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 4:41 PM BST up reply actions
I hate Portugal but hate Brazil more so I can't help but watch
Portugal seems like the slightly weaker side, so Portugal winning and going to the US side of the bracket would be some sort of marginal advantage, maybe.
by lemonverbena on Jun 25, 2010 4:42 PM BST up reply actions
that’s what i meant. i hate yankees and sox both but i watch to see if they invent a way for both to lose somehow.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:45 PM BST up reply actions
I hate the Red Sox in theory but now that my two all-time favorite players are in Boston I find myself wanting them to do well
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 4:46 PM BST up reply actions
scutaro and who else?
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:48 PM BST up reply actions
ah. i do like my marco, so i was projecting.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 4:52 PM BST up reply actions
Cameron more of a favorite than Ichiro?
Come now.
by lemonverbena on Jun 25, 2010 4:53 PM BST up reply actions
Yes.
Mike Cameron is my favorite baseball player ever. Ichiro is top five, but he can’t touch Cammy.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 4:55 PM BST up reply actions
He is great and very likable
But Ichiro is legendary.
by lemonverbena on Jun 25, 2010 4:56 PM BST up reply actions
Ichiro is clearly the better player
but I live Cammy more.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 4:58 PM BST up reply actions
live to love, love to live, brah!
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 5:02 PM BST up reply actions
YES! Kalou brings in a third!
Salomon looks so pleased and then he does a little dance.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 4:38 PM BST reply actions
Oh yeah, I'd have liked to watch that game
But Brazil/Portugal was the headliner. And it actually had something at stake.
Is anyone pulling Swiss duty? This bar is only showing Spain v Chile
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 7:27 PM BST reply actions
i got both games on. hopefully “work” won’t get in the way and take my bandwidth away.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM BST up reply actions
Come on Spain
and a draw for the Swiss!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 7:29 PM BST reply actions
Alright, Hup Honduras Hup, keep the Swiss to a low scoring game, and Spain let's not trample Chile
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 7:30 PM BST reply actions
or that!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM BST up reply actions
honduras a las alturas!
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 PM BST up reply actions
con carne, chile!
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 7:34 PM BST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Spain and in some ways would be sad to see them not go through
but in other ways I am fascinated by a World Cup in which the team generally considered the be the best in the world, the previous winner and previous runner-up do not advance to the knock out stage.
I think I'd rather Switzerland and Chile advance than Spain
for a multitude of reasons.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM BST up reply actions
And Xavi, who I love.
But Spain going out in the group stage would illustrate a few different points I’m planning to make in a post at some point soon and boy would it make it easier to write. Also, underdogs are fun.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM BST up reply actions
sorry. i lost my media guide!
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 PM BST up reply actions
That was bizzare.
But apparently Ponce back-kicked Torres and earned himself a yellow for sticking spikes in El Nino
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM BST reply actions
that was a slip. this was truly dumb.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 PM BST up reply actions
He had to come out and clear it
but you have to boot that thing into Row X!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 7:56 PM BST up reply actions
they looked in control for a sconod there, too.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 7:57 PM BST up reply actions
They were much the better side
but that won’t be the last goal of this match I fear
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 PM BST up reply actions
yes
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 PM BST up reply actions
that's why the game is so fun to watch
or nervewracking depending what you have on the line.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:03 PM BST up reply actions
USA fans can sympathize
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:05 PM BST up reply actions
Oh lordy lot of contact on Torres in penalty area
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:05 PM BST reply actions
Fabulous goal Iniesta!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:06 PM BST reply actions
AND IT'S A DAMN DIVE
REFEREE YOU ARE A DISGRACE!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:08 PM BST up reply actions
even with 10 I would back them to score at least 1
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:07 PM BST up reply actions
yeah, that was pathetic
absolutely disgraceful
ugh
Wizard Of The 3rd Coast
by Pablo Mercado on Jun 25, 2010 8:12 PM BST up reply actions
Torres didn't do a lot of that at Liverpool
Never thought he was that kind of player. What a disgrace!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:08 PM BST up reply actions
I am not convinced there was contact
If there was it was very very slight. In that case only the ref and not Torres is a disgrace.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 PM BST up reply actions
It was a tiny, tiny toe tap. Torres fell to the ground as though he'd been shot
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM BST up reply actions
I will have to look again
When I rewound it back, it looked like 0 contact.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM BST up reply actions
If he didn't dive he isn't
Because until now, he’s never been one to do that.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM BST up reply actions
I do really enjoy that when Estrada was sent off Bielsa just moved the holding mid back to defense and made it a 3-3-3 from a 3-1-3-3 instead of making a sub.
chile has tricky tactics ahead. i don’t want to get too technical, but way i see it, chile has an option. they can either come out of the locker ready to defend like crazy, concede nothing more, get no cards, and score once on a break. or pantse the spaniards and run for the bus. i’m good either way.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 8:24 PM BST up reply actions
Chile have to get a goal
because even as poorly as the Swiss are playing they might get 1 and right now that would be enough for the Swiss to go through
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM BST up reply actions
One more advantage for Chile
Is liek the USA there game will finish after the Swiss match
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 PM BST up reply actions
Chile really does have options here. They can push like hell for a goal to make a Suisse goal irrelevant, but would probably give up more goals to Spain.
I think I’d do that because unless Suisse scores Spain can win 10-0.
that’s thinking out the box. bielsa’s been criticized for coaching too rigidly to his plan. wonder if he’d be able to modify like that.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 PM BST up reply actions
Yeah a deflection
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:36 PM BST up reply actions
on behalf of my pisco-sipping brothers, i’ll take it.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 8:38 PM BST up reply actions
Oh my goodness
Honduras should be 1-0 up! Free header for Suazo and he puts it wide!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:39 PM BST reply actions
So Fabregas needs to shave that facial hair
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 8:42 PM BST reply actions
Just your average substitution
Fernando Torres off, Cesc Fabregas on
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:43 PM BST reply actions
Honduran goalkeeper doing very well
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 PM BST reply actions
Chile really is playing well with only 10 men
With their style of open play I’m not sure it really matters.
Great tackle Vidal
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:51 PM BST up reply actions
Alex Frei coming on for Switzterland
N’Kufo is off
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:55 PM BST reply actions
Honduran goalkeeper with a great punch
literally taking the ball off the head of Hakin Yakin
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 PM BST reply actions
And Honduras nearly scores on the counter
great save Benaglio
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 PM BST reply actions
And Frei misses a good chance!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM BST up reply actions
It appears that someone gave Martinez the wrong size shirt
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 PM BST reply actions
yeah, i’m not into that new adidas “cross your back bra” style…
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 9:01 PM BST up reply actions
And the Honduran goalkeeper saves it
but by pure luck, wonderful flick from Yakin, goalkeeper was in right place at right time
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 PM BST reply actions
Great challenege by Ziegler
to deny Palacios a 1 v 1 with the goalkeeper
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM BST reply actions
Jerry Palacios off, Georgie Welcome on!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:04 PM BST reply actions
Damn right
what was he waiting for?!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 PM BST up reply actions
Derdiyok can't control a great cross
right after Honduras had the ball in the net, but offside
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:11 PM BST reply actions
They can’t stay onsides on a 4 on 1 break. Honduras is not good. Wish we had just let Costa Rica win that last game and get in
Kind of with you on that
Would’ve rather seen Costa Rica in too. Probably would;ve if not for the Charlie Davies thing.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM BST up reply actions
sorry wrong reply
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM BST up reply actions
wait, the replay showed that it was pretty close…
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 PM BST up reply actions
No it wasn't
Valladares,the Honduran goalkeeper is injured so a lot of stoppage time might change things.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM BST reply actions
no love for “manolo el del bombo” you guys? he’s like the world’s biggest WC fan ever. and yes, part of that is his girth.
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by AV on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 PM BST up reply actions
4 minutes of stoppage
for Switzerland-Honduras
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 PM BST reply actions
Another unbelievable miss for Honduras
great cross and somehow not 1 touch on it!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 PM BST reply actions
0-0 for Switzerland!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 PM BST reply actions
So does Switzerland beating Spain qualify as biggest tease of the Cup so far?
It does for me. Oh well. Dae Han Min Guk!
ok, fine. no video review during the game if blatter’s such a baby about it. how about after, though? can fifa at least make amends with players booked or sent off wrongfully and let them play the next game?
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i found 7500 because i felt stupid talking soccer in the face my wOBA-quoting colleagues at AN. but maybe i’ll go by and say hi.
but i came back to say: i pulled this gif into flash and looked at it frame by frame. much easier to see what’s going on. in frames 5 and 6, estrada’s right knee does seem to touch and displace torres’ right foot toward torres’ left leg, thus causing that self-trip. what convinces me even more is that torres’ lower leg rotates in a way that would be unnatural in running (imagine his bent leg is an L where the vertical stays stil from hip to knee, l but the horizontal bar turns on the horizontal axis). i don’t think torres took a dive. he may have exaggerated the severity and the aftermath, but the initial contact was enough to make him go down. further, i don’t think estrada meant to touch torres. i have no evidence of it, but it seems a split second difference in the timing of their running cycles would have let each other pass without problem. but they passed at just the right time when one runner’s limb touched the other’s.
do i get the jim garrison award? back and to the left. back and to the left. BACK and to the left.
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by AV on Jun 26, 2010 2:01 AM BST up reply actions
y’all got a 24-hour wait from joining to being able to make comments at LL? i’m just trying to say hi. not buy a gun!
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by AV on Jun 26, 2010 2:06 AM BST up reply actions
I don't doubt the contact.
I doubt it caused Torres to do what he did.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2010 6:58 AM BST up reply actions
I also watched it from as many available angles and there definitely was contact.
It was completely incidental though and was a horrible yellow.
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